Threads keep popping up on this forum where people are talking about piracy. Honestly, I think the question is moot. Let's be realistic here. It's been a really long time since anything new has been officially released for purchase. Wired All Wrong is the closest thing I can think of. It's only VAGUELY related to GLU, and I'll bet everyone on this forum bought it the first day it was available.
Take this as fact: anyone who is STILL checking the GLU discussion forum after ALL THESE YEARS, undoubtedly, has no problem buying anything GLU related, and in all probability, would be willing to pay 10x the price. If only we could get it. Would you, humble reader, pay $100 for a new David Reilly CD if such an option was available? I know I would.
We're all dying for whatever material is out there, and our purchasing options are severely limited. So let's just get off our high horses and help each other out in any way we can. No one here is a pirate. No one.
Thanks,
JSL
My final word on piracy
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If anything piracy helps. Honestly, i bought most the cds i have because of it (this includes glu) although i wouldn't spend 10x the money... maybe 3x depending on the cd and situation (i wont pay anymore than 25 for a cd period... because don't got a job 
) i think of it as try before you buy... this is also how i came across alice in chains. and i don't see it as piracy when you cant buy a cd thats been out of print for years, its not like the money for the used cd (if you can find one) is going toward anything good.
I.E. Borat, Wired All Wrong ,Halo 3 what ever... just came out on cd/dvd i could go out and buy one but i don't want to so i download it thats true piracy because its WIDELY AVAILABLE and is actually hurting sales...
downloading something you can NOT buy is not piracy (in my personal opinion)
) i think of it as try before you buy... this is also how i came across alice in chains. and i don't see it as piracy when you cant buy a cd thats been out of print for years, its not like the money for the used cd (if you can find one) is going toward anything good. I.E. Borat, Wired All Wrong ,Halo 3 what ever... just came out on cd/dvd i could go out and buy one but i don't want to so i download it thats true piracy because its WIDELY AVAILABLE and is actually hurting sales...
downloading something you can NOT buy is not piracy (in my personal opinion)
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Whether he agreed with it or not, and no matter what anyones 'personal opinion' is, the fact of the matter is this: downloading music/video/whatever that you didn't pay for, and do not own the rights to, is illegal. Simple truth. Justify it however you like to help you sleep at night (and don't get me wrong, I am guilty of DLing rare/and or hard to find tracks myself occasionally, I also break the speed limit every now and then 
), but what you're (and I'm) doing is illegal. When Dave sent me UOTF before he had gotten the rights back from 1500, that was illegal. I wasn't complaining... but, it was illegal.
), but what you're (and I'm) doing is illegal. When Dave sent me UOTF before he had gotten the rights back from 1500, that was illegal. I wasn't complaining... but, it was illegal.Here's the thing
>> Whether he agreed with it or not, and no matter what anyones 'personal opinion' is, the fact of the matter is this: downloading music/video/whatever that you didn't pay for, and do not own the rights to, is illegal.
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Wow, thanks dude! You see, I've never heard this argument before, reiterated, over and over again, a million times.
I guess the real problem is that... I don't care. Not in this case. I'm not going to deprive myself of a piece of art that I enjoy so immensely simply because it's technically illegal, especially when no one here has any problem paying for the product.
It's not available for purchase. I'm not entering into an argument that a downloaded track is equivalent to a lost sale. I refuse to because, once again, it's not available for purchase. There is NO POSSIBLE SALE. I don't need to convince myself of the virtue of my cause to "help me sleep at night", and frankly, I think I'd need therapy if I did.
You think David wants his work buried because of LEGAL ISSUES? Because that's insane. Just because I have pre-released tracks of How Humans Rx, doesn't mean I won't buy the album (and multiple copies for that matter) if and when it ever comes out. And thank heavens David didn't get mired in these legal issues. If he did, then we wouldn't even have the pre-release. And what a devastating shame that would be.
Not having UOTF in pre-release would also be a shame because firstly, it contains two songs the release didn't have, and second, the album that was sold had a manufacturing flaw that made the product unlistenable.
So bring your "illegal" argument over to Metallica's forums, please. A fan base as close as GLU should have special priviledges based on something called "the benefit of the doubt".
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Wow, thanks dude! You see, I've never heard this argument before, reiterated, over and over again, a million times.
I guess the real problem is that... I don't care. Not in this case. I'm not going to deprive myself of a piece of art that I enjoy so immensely simply because it's technically illegal, especially when no one here has any problem paying for the product.
It's not available for purchase. I'm not entering into an argument that a downloaded track is equivalent to a lost sale. I refuse to because, once again, it's not available for purchase. There is NO POSSIBLE SALE. I don't need to convince myself of the virtue of my cause to "help me sleep at night", and frankly, I think I'd need therapy if I did.
You think David wants his work buried because of LEGAL ISSUES? Because that's insane. Just because I have pre-released tracks of How Humans Rx, doesn't mean I won't buy the album (and multiple copies for that matter) if and when it ever comes out. And thank heavens David didn't get mired in these legal issues. If he did, then we wouldn't even have the pre-release. And what a devastating shame that would be.
Not having UOTF in pre-release would also be a shame because firstly, it contains two songs the release didn't have, and second, the album that was sold had a manufacturing flaw that made the product unlistenable.
So bring your "illegal" argument over to Metallica's forums, please. A fan base as close as GLU should have special priviledges based on something called "the benefit of the doubt".
OK?
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Thanks for not reading the rest of my post, or comprehending any of it apparently If you look again, you will see that I admit to piracy as well, and have benefited from it in the past in the case of rare or hard to find material, and probably will again in the future. I just don't deny that I am doing something illegal. That is all, wasn't trying to start a fight, or a flame war, or anything else. Just pointing out that no matter what our personal feelings are, we are breaking the law.
If you look again, you will see that I admit to piracy as well, and have benefited from it in the past in the case of rare or hard to find material, and probably will again in the future. I just don't deny that I am doing something illegal. That is all, wasn't trying to start a fight, or a flame war, or anything else. Just pointing out that no matter what our personal feelings are, we are breaking the law.did this whole thing start because of the FTP thing?
well, let's put this to bed.
this quote is from FiveLiter302, the fellow who put up the ftp site. on the very first post of that thread, he lists a bunch of rules that he would like us to follow. please pay special attention to number 9:
well, let's put this to bed.
this quote is from FiveLiter302, the fellow who put up the ftp site. on the very first post of that thread, he lists a bunch of rules that he would like us to follow. please pay special attention to number 9:
Fiveliter302 wrote:OK, since there is no real good place other than the gmail acct. to upload stuff, and even that doesn't work so well, I am going to let you guys use my server. I will add all the stuff that I have as well. I have about 10gigs of space and alot of bandwidth.
You can access the stuff on here by either one of two ways:
1. Going to this link
http://glu.fiveliter302.com
USERNAME: enjoyglu
PASSWORD: davidrr
OR
2. Using ftp (YOU MUST USE AN FTP PROGRAM TO ACCESS THIS WAY!)
HOST: ftp.fiveliter302.com
USER ID: enjoyglu@fiveliter302.com
PASSWORD: davidrr
Here is a free ftp program you can use if you need one http://www.download.com/FTP-Surfer/3000 ... 39779.html
You can upload stuff using the ftp access, but only download using the link (option 1).
I am asking a few things:
1. Use this ONLY for GLU related things (I WILL delete all others).
2. Use appropriate folders in when uploading (I currently have a 'Audio' and 'Video' folder). Add subfolders to keep things more organized if you have stuff that should be grouped together.
3. Please check to make sure something hasn't been uploaded already
4. If you abuse this, I will take it down.
5. Do not delete things unless you either have a better version of the same thing, or something is absolutely posted more than once.
6. If you have a file such as a GLU song you have covered that you would like to add, please make a subfolder in the audio folder named 'COVERS'. Please don't put it with the general audio.
7. Uploads CANNOT have spaces in the name. It will NOT upload.
8. If you download from the directory and not ftp, please Right click/'save as' the link instead of left clicking. Please don't completely kill my bandwidth.
9. Please no official release albums. This is 'Empty', 'GLU' (Self-Titled), 'Life In The So-Called Space Age', 'Up off the Floor' (Pre-release version is OK to put on there though), 'Inside', etc..,
If you guys don't want to use this, that is fine, but I figured I would offer the free space up. I don't use my site for much, so why not. Figured that this would be a bit better than the gmail at any rate.
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>> Thanks for not reading the rest of my post, or comprehending any of it apparently If you look again, you will see that I admit to piracy as well, and have benefited from it in the past in the case of rare or hard to find material, and probably will again in the future. I just don't deny that I am doing something illegal. That is all, wasn't trying to start a fight, or a flame war, or anything else. Just pointing out that no matter what our personal feelings are, we are breaking the law.
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Dude, I read and understand your post. The fact that you admitted to piracy is irrelevant. My answer to you concerns your issue that piracy is illegal, does it not? You only made one (1) point and I addressed it. Why would you think I didn't comprehend the post, other than the fact that you think anyone that doesn't embrace everything you say... must not understand you?
My point is that this drum has been beaten online so many times it has been rendered completely banal. I understand that it's technically illegal. Everyone on Earth knows it's illegal. My 92-year-old grandmother knows it's illegal.
I just don't care.
Which is what I wrote. So maybe it's *you* who is not understanding or comprehending *my* post.
Here are David Reilly's exact words on the Armada Sound System Interview: "If I put something up for download, it's a demo version of the song that's not going to be on the album, and wouldn't really deter people from buying the album."
And if you listen to the "TT the Bear's" concert, where he talked about distributing UOTF when it looked like it was going to be a lost album, it can be said that David hated the thought of creating music that his fans wouldn't be able to get. As a matter of fact, I distinctly remember him saying the words "legal bull$#!t and the record industry", at which point the entire audience boos. Then he said that he's just been dubbing it and giving it to people. This is where the audience applaudes. Then he says: "If I'm going to get evicted anyway, you might as well have my music." In addition, he also refused to support the eventual release of UOTF because of its manufacturing flaw, and recommended we don't buy it.
So I don't think David cared either.
There is no doubt in my mind that David wants us to have and continue to enjoy his art by whatever means necessary. I'm not trying to "justify" anything. Now, if you're still having moral qualms about burning music tracks, freely distributed by David Reilly himself, that in his mind were just demo versions anyway... then work that issue out with a therapist. I'm trying to keep in touch with a diminishing fan base that may have stuff I don't have because there's nowhere else on Earth I'm going to get it.
OK?
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Dude, I read and understand your post. The fact that you admitted to piracy is irrelevant. My answer to you concerns your issue that piracy is illegal, does it not? You only made one (1) point and I addressed it. Why would you think I didn't comprehend the post, other than the fact that you think anyone that doesn't embrace everything you say... must not understand you?
My point is that this drum has been beaten online so many times it has been rendered completely banal. I understand that it's technically illegal. Everyone on Earth knows it's illegal. My 92-year-old grandmother knows it's illegal.
I just don't care.
Which is what I wrote. So maybe it's *you* who is not understanding or comprehending *my* post.
Here are David Reilly's exact words on the Armada Sound System Interview: "If I put something up for download, it's a demo version of the song that's not going to be on the album, and wouldn't really deter people from buying the album."
And if you listen to the "TT the Bear's" concert, where he talked about distributing UOTF when it looked like it was going to be a lost album, it can be said that David hated the thought of creating music that his fans wouldn't be able to get. As a matter of fact, I distinctly remember him saying the words "legal bull$#!t and the record industry", at which point the entire audience boos. Then he said that he's just been dubbing it and giving it to people. This is where the audience applaudes. Then he says: "If I'm going to get evicted anyway, you might as well have my music." In addition, he also refused to support the eventual release of UOTF because of its manufacturing flaw, and recommended we don't buy it.
So I don't think David cared either.
There is no doubt in my mind that David wants us to have and continue to enjoy his art by whatever means necessary. I'm not trying to "justify" anything. Now, if you're still having moral qualms about burning music tracks, freely distributed by David Reilly himself, that in his mind were just demo versions anyway... then work that issue out with a therapist. I'm trying to keep in touch with a diminishing fan base that may have stuff I don't have because there's nowhere else on Earth I'm going to get it.
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woooo... JSL remember what you're fighting for? it's empty not fluzee and are we still talking about the ftp? cuz i think its more a battle of who thinks they're right....
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but since you said it...