Making GLU Music...and other electronic music.

machine609 · Post by **machine609** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 10:56 am

I think a good topic is the creation of GLU / Reilly / Turzo music. I picked David's brain for how sounds were created and I think that I should share some of this stuff with you guys.

Also if you are new to this and need to learn more about how to make music electronically let me know and lets discuss this. So let's try to stay on topic of the music and it's creation and I will explain anything I know about these tools with my 20 years experience.

So to start off with some knowledge, here is a message I got from Dave when asking him what tools he was currently using for How Humans RX and also a message on how the sound was created at the beginning of Don't Know How to Be.

RE: pick your brain, but without a toothpick...
Body: i will make it simple. synths are as follows. fruity loops with juno 60, wasp, and various weird proprietary hacker made pluggings. takamine acoustic guitars, fender p-bass, slingerland drums, acid-soundforge by sonic foundry, les paul guitars, and then metropolitan studios is where i cut. they have ssl, full tdm pro-tools, a g5, and every old compresser, limiter, pre-amp, channle strip, 48 analog tracks on 2" otari, every expensive mic, and every amp you'd likely find in lenny kravitz studio, or on led zepplin 2, or a jimi hendrix record. the SSL has 72 channels, and theres every lexicon, eventide, and other outboard processors. every available pro-tools pluggin, distressors, and a 5 million dollar facillity with the best live room and iso booth ive ever used. the end. and then theres me playin all the stuff and singing, and walt engineering and mixing, both of us producing.
----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: Machine609
Date: Jun 30, 2005 9:04 PM

David,

I know you are getting alot of mail. I will keep it brief. I wanted to know if I can pick your brain about your studio equipment and particular sounds and stuff like that? Thanks. - Rick

RE: brain picker is back...
Body: Jeff turzo made all of the music for dont know how to be. But i know what he did it with. and it doent appear anywhere else on the record, trust me.It was made on an oberheim obmx, and an oberheim expander. None of the sounds we ever used were factory presets, so anything you heard was made from a begining unprocessed waveform. good luck.

draven · Post by **draven** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 4:03 pm

Damn Jeff reminds me of Brian Leisang..... Making original sounds from scratch which is impossible to recreate.....

machine609 · Post by **machine609** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 5:07 pm

Yeah just fire up the synth, start with waveform and start twisting knobs. Of course they keep the sample for live but if you don't know the settings it is hard to recreate, plus some of the devices they were using are really old and even made during a time of innovation when the guys creating them were doing alot of it by hand and alot of experimintation, not when they made alot of money. Now synths are big money and basically to me alot of crap. Software is where it's at.

Oberheims are like 1500 bucks used and no two would sound the same probably due to wear and tear BUT with either Fruity Loops and Wasp plugin or Native Instruments Absynth you can make insane sounds.

I am getting a Juno 60 soon. That is an old synth that I guarantee you have all heard it on many many 80's songs. I ran a synth through a Zoom Driver and it was CRUSHING!!! Gotta love it.

medicatedtotheoneilove · Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:22 pm

This is off topic but

I'm in the process of making an 8-bit album... It's kind of a new fad, have any of you heard of it? It's the most intriguing thing in the world to me to make music with a Gameboy, NES, C64 etc. I just figured out how to do it and I'm making songs. This website inspired me: http://www.8bitpeoples.com

Some of that music is really amazing. My personal favorite artist on that page is "goto80", the mp3s are up for download, you won't regret checking it out.

I'm using a ROM for my Gameboy emulator called LSDJ, it's basically a sequencer with sampled drum machines and access to all Gameboy sounds and then some.

Wish me luck and inspiration.

Juno106 · Post by **Juno106** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 7:48 am

I know it's expensive too - but check out the SidStation http://www.sidstation.com/ by Elektron. Cool stuff - the heart is the same synth chip from the C-64. Early versions were chips from the same product run used in the origional C-64!

David and Jeff using the OB Xpander so heavily was always the coolest move - back before analog made a big resurgance. There was a funny unpopular desktop synth made by Yamaha that David was a big fan of, called the SY-22. It was a low cost knock off of a Korg Wavestation, but it was really cool.

draven · Post by **draven** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 10:20 am

I think I prefer the programs since its easier to use for newbies like myself playing synths..... I am more of a raw person meaning guitars bass drums and ofcourse some programmed beats....

Dr Wily · Post by **Dr Wily** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 1:28 pm

I come from a tracking background; FastTrackerII when I was 15 years old. So I tend to think more in samples than synths....but the last couple of years with Reason have really opened my eyes to the magic of synthland. I can play with the Subtractor for hours and hours...I don't think you even need hardware-based equipment for that sort of thing anynore; the analog emulation in Reason is spectacular.

machine609 · Post by **machine609** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 8:44 pm

I heard about the 8-bit thing, very cool old skool. I grew up during the time of those consoles. 34 years now, there was some really cool stuff made for those games back then. I will check it out.

I have Reason, it is a bad ass program, too badthey will probably never add audio recording to it. I do rewire it to ableton sometimes. the Native instruments stuff can be overwhelming. But get Guitar Rig, i dont yse an amp anymore, it is that freaking awesome. you go to play to find a good sound, the presets i dont like but who needs amps anymore.

medicatedtotheoneilove · Fri Nov 18, 2005 4:10 am

I've tried messing around with Ableton Live 5.2 and Fruity Loops but they both confuse me and are way too daunting to dig into.

machine609 · Post by **machine609** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 8:42 am

Fruity Loops is very very daunting at first, Ableton has a really awesome step by step tutorial when you first install. I recommend doing that and it is worht the time. I am very familiar with how the process works but I do the tutorials on any new program and it is worth it.

If you are not recording audio you can try Reason. You can record audio and import as a Rex loop in there but i need a multitracker personally.

draven · Post by **draven** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 10:29 am

If my friend can use Fruity Loops then #### I can use it too..... Thats how he made the beats for Dark Matter..... So hopefully I get the program soon......

Dr Wily · Post by **Dr Wily** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 11:15 am

I've never used Fruity Loops....does it offer anything that Reason doesn't?

My recording rig is Reason, ReWired into Cakewalk Sonar Producer Edition 4, POD XT Live for guitar input, Behringer mixer and an MXL condenser mic I got for like 200 bucks. I feel like I have everything I need to do any music I want to do.

machine609 · Post by **machine609** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 11:41 am

There is so much software out there that there are many possible combinations and it confusing for newbies. Here is my rig. Well minus the Marshalls and various things laying around.

Ableton Live 4.0 - NI Battery - NI Absynth 3.0 - NI Guitar Rig - Edirol Orchestra - HP Pavillion zv5445us - 3.0 Ghz- 1.2 GB RAM - XP Pro - Edirol FA-101 - Roland V-Drums - Gibson Explorer (Seymour Duncan Distortion Pickups), Taylor 614 CE, and my Frontal and Temporal Lobes

draven · Post by **draven** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 12:19 pm

And when I am confused you will see my im Machine.... Like you have already....

machine609 · Post by **machine609** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 12:44 pm

no problem at all, anytime